Damn Webb, don't hurt 'em (LOL). But seriously though, I started seeing the writing on the wall at JJP in the beginning of the summer. In spite of giving the side eye to the moderators over their almost overnight 180 turn against PBO (which now makes perfect sense), I decided to stick it out because by and large I really enjoyed the community of posters.
My breaking point came in late August. The atmopshere there had become really toxic...I don't have to get into details, y'all were there. Alexander2 called out the mods for letting the place become a free for all a la Daily Kos, and there were a few of us who posted our concerns as well. So what happens next? Rikyrah lets loose on a front-page diatribe saying in so many words that if JJP has to be compared to Daily Kos then so be it, that Obama supporters need to stop drinking the kool aid and wake up. I haven't posted there since.
Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying that I want any blog to be pro-Obama, all the time...if he does wrong we gots to speak up. But the constant bashing at JJP that was based on nothing more than innuendo and spin got to be more than I was willing to put up with. I harbor no ill will toward the crew over there, I wish them the best; but it's disappointing that they let the blog sink into the muck of shouting and petulance. They could have been so much better than that. Hope the 30 pieces of silver was worth it.
Shanti2
· 1 month ago
LOL! MsKitty. Scorpios DO NOT play! You're absoulutely right about JJP becoming toxic in August; it was during the health care debates. I kept asking questions of the moderator- (This means you, Rikyrah) about the content of the threads, and they would not respond.
If you're going to throw up a thread for discussion and debate, and not answer the bloggers questions or acknowledge their comments, what's the purpose? Let's just say the moderator was VERY selective in choosing the recipients of her responses.
I'm not opposed to acknowledging PBO's shortcomings when warranted, but a 24/7 hatefest is outrageous!
It's not serving the the blogging community.
SouthernGirl2
· 1 month ago
Hope the 30 pieces of silver was worth it.
That's a bad sign, MsKitty!
SDG
· 1 month ago
Damn! Just Damn! I knew something was foul in the water over there. It's sad when one has to preface "support" for the President with constant disclaimers. I support him. Period. I'm in this for the long haul. I don't exepect perfection, but I know that we will all demand the best from him with love and respect.
This turn of events is disappointing, but not unexpected. Like Rev. Al always says "just cuz you my skinfolk, don't make you my kinfiolk."
SouthernGirl2
· 1 month ago
Co-Signing SDG!
I'm in it for the long haul. I'm stuck like velcro! I canNOT and willNOT EVER leave him!
Shanti2
· 1 month ago
Right on, SDG. We need to start demanding the best from ourselves and each other.... Tired of folks pinning all the worlds ills on one man. Per, CG, THE PRESIDENT IS NOT YOUR BOYFRIEND, Bitches!
PBomb
· 1 month ago
Webb, I believe you are onto something.
I read the website Planet POV about a week ago and I noticed that all of the commenters were people who were former and current HuffPo commenters. They are tired of all of the Drudge like headlines over there. I read several other blogs where commenters have said the same thing about FDL and HuffPo. We are definitely not the only disapointed by the publications. There are plenty more, but they don't have an outlet to speak about it.
Sepia
· 1 month ago
PBomb, Planet POV has been VERY eye opening in regards to HuffPo.
Miranda
· 1 month ago
I noticed that too about Planet POV. This is so telling.
SouthernGirl2
· 1 month ago
Co-Sign PBomb!
It's like Arianna is running neck and neck with Drudge! Is she trying to outdo Drudge with her headlines?
PBomb
· 1 month ago
Check out the article from Planet POV about something similar to what Webb has pointed out.
Hey, Pbomb. I read that weeks ago. POV's smart peeps. It is apparent that money talks. If these folks aren't doing it for the money, than what perverse pleasure are they deriving from trashing the POTUS?
PBomb
· 1 month ago
I know, I am behind because I have been out of the loop. It's interesting how two republicans won for governor and it's an affront to the Obama Administration. But people failed to mention that the seat in NY-23 went to a democrat, even though Republicans held that position for almost 70 years.
Last time I checked, the gubernatorial position has nothing to do with passing laws in Congress. Bob "I am old as dirt" Sheiffer even said that the two republicans who won for governor have nothing to do with Obama. There were even exit polls, that had showed voters stating that their voting choices for governor had nothing to do with Obama, in fact they gave Obama high marks. Even David Letterman made fun of the "Republicans winning in the governor's races are an affront to Obama" meme on Tuesday night. Because it's so damn nonsensical.
But you have people like David "I am a loser and I am going write a bunch of shit that defies logic" Zirin talking out of both sides of their mouth. He will be eating crow like the rest. I can wait.
Sepia
· 1 month ago
Thank you! In fact, the Dems gain TWO votes in Congress and those two candidates ran on a health care reform platform, so that's two more votes for HCR! That's great news, but reporters either ignore that fact or, like Andrea Mitchell, downplay it as if those two wins are nothing.
Shanti2
· 1 month ago
Rethugs held that house seat for 100 years. Not since Ulysses s. Grant has a Dem been elected to that seat.
As far as Deeds loosing, well, he's just a looser. He did nothing to reach out to his constituency and thought PBO would fly in and save the day for his white pasty ass.
Corzine tried to buy his way back into governorship, but folks weren't having it! They said fuck you Corzine, wallstreet, Goldman Sacs, etc. fuck all of y'all.
Corzine thought his white ass was going to ride the cape tail of Superman Obama, but nope folks had their reasons for not voting for these lazy ass muthafuckas!
Fuck Dave Z!
MSM runtellatt!
SouthernGirl2
· 1 month ago
Corzine thought his white ass was going to ride the cape tail of Superman Obama, but nope folks had their reasons for not voting for these lazy ass muthafuckas!
Amen! Corzine and Deeds did it to themselves! They took the voters for granted and got a big f-ing wake-up call. Not today mofos!
SouthernGirl2
· 1 month ago
PBomb,
I believe Republicans held that seat in NY-23 for over a 100 years. That was the story but the MSM was determined to make it about PBO.
SouthernGirl2
· 1 month ago
I saw that! IIRC, a lot of those posters were banned from Huffington Post for speaking out about what Arianna was doing. They re-grouped and started their own blog.
Sepia
· 1 month ago
According to some of the POV commentors, there are certain words that are banned from Huffin&Puffin. I was like, WTF??
Miranda
· 1 month ago
It is abundantly clear that HP is determined to purge the commenting of the sane, reasoned progressives and fill it with the same type of rhetoric you would find at Free Republic or foxnation. They want more divisive combative type comments that bash the Obama administration, and quite frankly, I believe they want more comments that bash the Obama family personally. Its disgusting.
SouthernGirl2
· 1 month ago
Morning Sepia,
I wondered why some of my comments at HP were pending for approval and there wasn't anything offensive in the post.
It wasn't about being offensive....it was certain words! It happened so many times, it is impossible to count them.
Lisa M
· 1 month ago
Happy to see I'm not the only one giving the side eye to Cheryl all hugged up with Arianna. Jane Hamsher = EPIC FAIL. Can't stand that *&^%#. But more people are beginning to "see" her and the rest of the Obama haters she hires. They just can't handle the idea that a Black man ain't asking how high when they say jump. Like y'all noted before, President Obama IS NOT YOUR BOYFRIEND.
You on point with Jack's qualifying his comments. I don't know why folks feel they have to do that. Yeah, I've had my issue with the President, especially when he kept insisting the Grassley and Enzi were operating in good faith with HRC when clearly they were not.
When I invested as much as I did to get the President elected, I'll be doggoned if I'm gon' call his administration a failure after less than a year. Some folks need to go down and sit somewhere.
Shanti2
· 1 month ago
Hey, Lisa. Your third eye is sharp, girl. PBO aint their nigga., but apparently the AA bloggers can call Steele an Uncle Tom and shit, but take payola from these white muthafuckas to distort, mislead, omit information and sell-out black people so the white liberal blogs can get more traffic. I wonder how the AA blog sites could stomach rotating the fucking haterade on the POTUS....
SouthernGirl2
· 1 month ago
Tell it, Lisa!
Right there with you! AIN'T no way I'm gonna turn my back on our President!
Not No...... but Hell No!
sagittarius
· 1 month ago
Anyone who is close to Jane Hamsher I cannot take seriously - particularly if they are AA. Why? Jane Hamsher used blackface in an article she wrote on HP at the height of the Joe Lieberman reelection campaign. Yes, that's right, Jane Hamsher, the person cited in this article, the person JJP is all hugged up with, posted an image of Joe Lieberman in blackface back in 2006.
So, I gotta give the SEOD (hat tip: cg) to folks when they start hanging out with the likes of Jane Hamsher. As they old saying goes - you lie down with dogs, you get up with fleas.
Sepia
· 1 month ago
This bitch here...
LRW! You got any green tea left? Imma need about 3 cups!
laRapierWit
· 1 month ago
Girl, water hot ...passing you the kettle...only got the best...nothing but The Republic of Tea..orange spice... cause that Hamsher termagant requires serious TEAMIND
and just, just inhaling the fragrance of orange spice begins the path from derangement to the contentment zone of TEAMIND
As you sip...you slowly transistion to TEAMIND....where tea awakens us to the truth of our own existence. Through tasting the joys of existence in a new way - Sip by sip rather than gulp by gulp, one will discover calm and contentment, appreciate the perfection, the harmony, the natural serenity and the true aesthetic that exists in every moment and in every natural thing.
Putting up no resistance, one would experience boundless imagination and aspire toward a peaceful and fulfilling lifestyle. Through a simple cup of tea one can realize the supreme true reality of TeaMind.
TeaMind is the mastery of mysteries; no hand can paint it, no voice can describe it. Yet it is easy to grasp; few people know this. Many travel the wrong path, pursuing the false and turning their backs on the true.
Yet attaining TeaMind is easy to accomplish. And now that this has been said, you should not cling to the words but just savor the meaning.
For it is written:
"The whole problem with Civilization is that we've been trying to squeeze the mind into the brain and it won't fit. The great gift of the leaf is that it relaxes the brain, freeing it to float to its true home in the boundless and the inexhaustible-the sublime state we call TeaMind."
Sip on Sepia...sip on...I am sippin rightwitcha!!
Shanti2
· 1 month ago
LMBAO! LaRapierWit, I'll have what you're having...
laRapierWit
· 1 month ago
Green tea...just green tea.lol lol ..but it is the best green tea on the market...
I am in the contentment zone...thinking about Hamsher..requires serious and deep TeaMind...to move on!!
woooSAaaaah!!!
MsKitty
· 1 month ago
That's deep. I'll have to remember that when I have my next cup of PG Tips.
Sepia
· 1 month ago
Dang, LRW! I can smell the orange and spices through my monitor! LOL!
SouthernGirl2
· 1 month ago
LOL
laRapierWit
· 1 month ago
Chile, ain't nothing like green tea infused with spices....it just wraps your mind in serenity!!!
The orange spice is infused with mandarin orange, cinnamon & cloves, you inhale a very exotic fruity citrus....and that's the daytime green tea... now
.at night you gotta try JasmineJazz one of the world's finest most fragrant blossoms and the tea is so fragrant cause it is immersed with the jasmine blossom 7x at night when it opens ...thus it is recommended as your nighttime green tea.
Sepia..you will have TeaMind...like you ain't never had...you will just be
SipHappy!!!
SouthernGirl2
· 1 month ago
BWA HA HA HA HA HA HA
Shanti2
· 1 month ago
Buh, buh, but... Miss Jane's sorry-IF she offended anyone..... Slappppppppp!
laRapierWit
· 1 month ago
O I reMEMber that shyt!! I was livid and especially about the lameass excuses used for the coverup...that was when I was on TPM all the time and I wrote some scathing ass posts, to folks in CT trying to coverup for Hamsher...cause she was supporting Lamont.
Anyone see a pattern here, about how her 'support' is more negative than positive when she claims to be for the candidate.
Hamsher..warrants....a MASS in UNISON SEOD...from the WEE family!!
Shanti2
· 1 month ago
Birds of a feather...
Alexander2
· 1 month ago
Yesterday, alone, Rikyrah posted three articles from firedoglake. Nothing from Booman, Nate Silver, Al Giordano (those people who allegedly kept her sane during the election). She claims she still reads them but its mighty odd that she posts nothing from them now.
The Daily Kos has more balance than JJP. Last week, there was a big fight at Kos about the influence of Miss Jane on their site. That conversation is not allowed at JJP. Miss Jane reigns supreme over there.
On difference occasions, Webb and I have asked why she posts pictures of the first family while, at the same time, she calls the president "weak, a punk, a sell-out?" Her response was that she knows what her audience wants (also, she enjoys Obama porn).
Does she really know what her audience wants, or does she know what Jane Hamsher wants? Her audience, for the most part, seems to reject Miss Jane's narrative. So, why is Miss Jane being pushed so hard?
Miranda
· 1 month ago
"So, why is Miss Jane being pushed so hard?"
cause we's some stubborn darkies....we won't give in.
PBomb
· 1 month ago
Honestly, if she had posted information from people like Nate SIlver for instance, people would get a better idea of why the losses on Tuesday had nothing to do with national attitudes towards the President.
And here's an excerpt from one of his latest posts about those election outcomes:
Too often in "mainstream" political analysis, once it is pointed out that independents have swung in one or another direction, the analysis stops. The pundit inserts his own opinion about what caused the independent vote to shift ("Obama's far-reaching proposals and mounting spending", says the Washington Post), without citing any evidence. It's a neat trick, and someone who isn't paying attention is liable to conclude that the pundit has actually said something interesting.
But in New Jersey, there's literally almost no evidence that the Democrats' agenda had anything to do with Jon Corzine's defeat. Voters who cited a national issue were more likely to vote for Corzine, and voters who cited a local one, the Republican Chris Christie.
In Virginia, the evidence is certainly a little stronger, insofar as the national agenda may have affected the lopsided turnout (the electorate which turned out Tuesday had voted for John McCain by 8 points, a near-reversal of the actual results). Even there, however, the quarter of the electorate that cited health care as their main issue went for the Democrat Deeds 51-49. And in NY-23, which was supposed to have been the ultimate smackdown of the Democrats' agenda, the Republican Conservative candidate unexpectedly lost.
But why must we keep with the bull about how this is ultimately an affront towards Obama?
It's bordering on biased, disgusting, and lazy-ass journalism.
Sepia
· 1 month ago
Honestly, if she had posted information from people like Nate SIlver for instance, people would get a better idea of why the losses on Tuesday had nothing to do with national attitudes towards the President.
Yep, same thing with the health care debate. Alot of information was, IMO, purposely not posted on JJP so as to frame/create the storyline that Obama is throwing progressives under the bus. For example, on July 20th PBO held a conference call with progressive bloggers where he laid out his strategy for healthcare reform. Why wasn't that talked about on JJP? But yet, they were so quick post anything from FDL, John Aravosis...etc., not matter how wrong they were/are. It was disappointing.
Miranda
· 1 month ago
I honestly started getting a bad feeling about JJP when we had to break down the lies and myths over the black farmers treatment. I thought something was amiss then.
Shanti2
· 1 month ago
I remember that issue all too well, Miranda. The article came from AP... SEOD to those mickey ficks! Me you, and Sepia spent some time putting that jigsaw puzzzle together...
Miranda
· 1 month ago
And I'm sure you recall there was absolutely NO acknowledgement regarding all of the information we posted. There was no update to the blog....no follow-up second blog about it....not a damn word.
Sepia
· 1 month ago
Oh, but there was another blog post about the Black farmers, but it was just a remix of the initial "Obama is stabbing Black people in the back" post. To me, that came across as, "Fuck you! I don't care about the facts! Imma keep running with this Obama ain't shit meme!".
Shanti2
· 1 month ago
Exactly, Miranda. None, Nada, Zilch, ZERO!
If one is blogging to inform, it would seem that one would do the research, keep abreast of new information and update the thread as it becomes available.... That's blogging 101.
Sepia
· 1 month ago
I almost forgot about that episode. Yes, that definitely should've been a warning. All throughout the campaign, we always gave AP articles the side-eye because of their Republican affiliations. But then JJP used an vauge AP article to deem Obama as betraying Black people?
Miranda
· 1 month ago
Then there was the time after that, a Bruce Dixon piece was posted.....ya might as well put up a piece by Pat Buchanan since Dixon is his black doopleganger from Bizarro world.
Sepia
· 1 month ago
You mean the piece about the Chicago school system? Boy, was that article loaded with a bunch of bull. The headline was misleading as all get out. Very questionable.
Alexander2
· 1 month ago
I remember that. The headline was that the chicago teachers union was suing the Obama administration. The union was actually suing the Chicago Board of Education. That was a misleading piece of slander and bullshit.
Shanti2
· 1 month ago
So it appears we're coming full circle here. For me, the bottom line is there was no objective analysis, neutrality, or civility with the post. Just ranting, screaming, and whinning about the sell-out POTUS!
I'm learning though. If I'm gonna post something as important as health care, I'd better bring some thoughtful analysis....
Miranda
· 1 month ago
Exactly....and what's so damn offensive is the attitude that WE are too stupid to actually see through that mud. WTH?!?!? We are not of the teabagging birther crowd, I will actually do more research than what's actually presented to me.....as if I can't google up and find the facts that have been omitted or downright twisted in order to fit an agenda. That's what pissed me off about that black farmers piece as well as a piece about the funding for HBCUs...that fits the "Obama hates black folks" meme...and its bullshit. To top it off, when WE, the readers, post facts and link to the data that totally contradict the points of the bullshit articles posted, its never acknowledged...not even a "my bad'...NOTHING.
Miranda
· 1 month ago
Yep, that's the one.
Shanti2
· 1 month ago
"It's bordering on biased, disgusting, and lazy-ass journalism."
You NAILED, it PBomb. some of these blogs rely on Lackadaisical practices by asking posters to drop links for discussion and gossip, and that's fine. It becomes a smokescreen for bringing the truth out in the actual threads.
So I guess if folks don't want the truth....
Shanti2
· 1 month ago
Hi Alexander2, nice to see you! Keep breaking it down, Brotha!
Sepia
· 1 month ago
I can see clearly now, the rain has gone.
Shanti2
· 1 month ago
WEE can SEE ALL OBSTACLES in our Way! Gone are the dark clouds that had us blind... it's gonna be a bright, bright, sun shiney day!
SouthernGirl2
· 1 month ago
I think I can make it now, the pain is gone.
SouthernGirl2
· 1 month ago
My hope is that we can continue to respect each other as everyday warriors in the struggle and continue to work side-by-side when our interests align.
Hello Jill,
Just thinking about your words...."Love IMO doesn't mean loving everything a person does but being honest with each other".
Jill, love means respecting a person even if one has disagreements with them. In that JJP committed Epic Fail. Where is calling or allowing someone from your blog to call our first black President a "wuss", "weak", a "sell-out punk" an expression of love? Jill, that is destructive, it's fighting words meant to destroy. It's not an attack on policy, it's a personal attack on his manhood. As a woman, I am sure you know there are some things one just doesn't do---you doNOT attack a man's manhood. Those attacks can never be taken back and the damage is done. You nor anyone else at JJP came out and denounced it. We took it as JJP being in agreement with it.
You've not addressed the issues at all that we've brought up in this thread. Is your allegiance more with Arianna & Jane Hamsher than the black community? Please tell us. Your blog is directed at a black bourgeoisie perspective on U.S. politics! I don't see it that way any more. Arianna & Jane may have helped JJP to get started but it is bloggers that kept it moving and made it what it is today. IMO, JJP haven't lived up to it promise with the black community. It seems you've lost sight of your original goal and that is serving the black community. Is not JJP to be held accountable for their actions?
Lastly, I would think JJP would be so proud of one of their own top commenters being able to get a seat sitting so close behind the President that one could reach out and touch him. JJP had to be called upon by other commenters to acknowledge it's own top commenter "Spirit". That is major Epic Fail! A seat sitting behind the President is not given to anyone, that would have to be earned. Spirit earned that seat by her loyal enduring hard work, just as she was loyal on JJP. She came to JJP daily fighting for the cause and having nearly 12,000 posts prooves it. It takes commenters to push a blog. JJP owes Spirit an apology.
SouthernGirl2
laRapierWit
· 1 month ago
AMEN!!
rikyrah
· 1 month ago
I remember the uproar about that. the rally happened over the weekend, and I had prepared the post for Monday morning, because it would get more traffic, and I recall that I was mocked when I explained it that way.
SouthernGirl2
· 1 month ago
When Spirit returned from that rally and gave her report, that was the time to acknowledge & congratulate her. We knew she was at that rally & were waiting anxiously for her to return and give up the scoop. The traffic was already there, Rikyrah. IMO, you let your personal feelings get in the way.
rikyrah
· 1 month ago
i know that was the feeling of some of you; wasn't true, but I knew that was the feeling.
SouthernGirl2
· 1 month ago
Rikyrah,
I want us all to be able to work through these bruised and hurt feelings. They're very real and bottled up resentment is not good for anyone. A lot of people were hurt from actions at JJP. Talking about it helps us all to clear the air so we can heal & move forward.
IIRC, after Baratunde made his appearance on MSNBC after the Ape cartoon explosion, we congratulated him, gave him huge props of a job well done, we were proud of him. We didn't wait 3 days to acknowledge him. After 3 days, the excitement is gone. No one should wait to thank or congratulate someone. You do it at that moment!
rikyrah
· 1 month ago
that's a good point , and I didn't think about it in that way.
Shanti2
· 1 month ago
You, my dear are a liar! Myth and Justice practically coerced you into responding.
When Spirit posted her expereince at the PBO's rally, you posted a pic of your niece Peanut, thus diverting attention away from the news of the rally. Damn, how stupid do you think we are, rikyrah?!
You could have congratulated Spirit, acknowledged her attendance at the rally and noted you'd post the details on Monday... Once again, you made it all about you!!
rikyrah
· 1 month ago
I read your responses to me, and posted about Spirit. I admit, I didn't understand the depth of your feelings about it. I was caught off by the blowback thinking that I was purposefully insulting Spirit.
SouthernGirl2
· 1 month ago
BTW...Peanut is too cute....she really is a doll!
Alexander2
· 1 month ago
Where is Webb tonight? We can keep this thread on the front page for days with updates. Look at what I found.
Jack & Jill Politics: A black bourgeoisie perspective on U.S. politics Tubman/Cheryl Contee on BBC Election Night Nov 4, 2008
Author: Jill Tubman Hey folks, I’ve been invited to speak to the BBC on election night. They’ve also got the fabulous Jane Hamsher of FireDogLake, Melissa Clouthier and other bloggers planned. It’s an honor, really. . . .
The "fabulous" Jane Hamsher who hated on Candidate Obama during the primary and general elections! Rikyah, I don't know about. Jack, I don't know about. But I do know that Jill is a first-class coon. The fabulous Jane Hamsher, and the fabulous Arianna Huffington.
There is also something about Jill that bothers me. I hate the cozy and too familar street talk in all her posts. It rubs me the same way that Michael Steele does. Stop trying to be so black, Jill. Your ass is a sell-out for the whole world to see.
carolinagirl
· 1 month ago
OMG!! ROTFLMMFAO!!!!
Shanti2
· 1 month ago
Tee hee..
Shanti2
· 1 month ago
See now, I was just telling my sistas that rikyrah's a scapegoat for JJP. They left her to her own devices while they went gallavanting across globe.
I was just telling my sistas that Jill and Jack haven't responded, and she said she doubted they would. Jill is too good to drop in on WSY. I beg to differ on the too good part. I challenged both of them last night to come correct with our people... crickets.........
I am WAITING!
Alexander2
· 1 month ago
I think rikyrah really believes the bullshit she writes. And I think Jill is cooning all the way to the bank.
I remember when I was in law school. There was a black, upper class woman that talked the same way Jill writes. All the slang and faux black attitude. There was a brother from Xavier in Louisana along with me who knew she wasn't about anything.
Shanti2
· 1 month ago
I've no doubt she believes what she writes. I 'm just not down with JJP falling for the okey dokey and selling out.
SouthernGirl2
· 1 month ago
What? Election Night Nov 4th, 2008?
I can't believe Jill used the words...The "fabulous" Jane Hamsher? How can someone be considered "fabulous" who posted a picture of Joe Lieberman in blackface? WTF? Does Jill not know this? If Jill feels Jane Hamsher is "fabulous", I don't wanna see anything negative about Hillary/ Bill Clinton and their dog whistle!
I am wondering if Jill has posted any articles criticizing Bill Clinton for his dog whistle during the primaries?
Shanti2
· 1 month ago
Jill: "I realize I’ll be among those representing African-Americans to the rest of the world on an important night, win or lose for our guy. What do you think is most important to communicate about African-Americans and our relationship to Barack Obama’s victory or loss?"
Answer: If we vote for Barack Obama, we will support his efforts to serve America. We will give him the respect, space, and opportunity to do is fucking job.
We'll SUPPORT his efforts in as much as we have the capacity to do so!
Alexander2
· 1 month ago
Even then, it was all about Jill. She didn't have to ask people what she should say, it should have been in her DNA to say just what you wrote. Fuck the great honor of being on the BBC with the "fabulous" Jane Hamsher.
When Rikyah took JJP into a direction of hate, nothing from Jill. Nothing from Jack. I have to rinse this bile out of my mouth before I go to bed. Good night, Wee See You family.
Shanti2
· 1 month ago
Ultimately, the onus is on JJP. Good night, Alex.
SouthernGirl2
· 1 month ago
What is the cozying up with Arianna Huffington all about?
Arianna is a snake in the grass! It all about the hits, traffic and making money. Those ugly blaring headlines about the President create traffic for her blog. She's no liberal...she's a republican!
PlanetPOV are smart peeps! They're on to her ass. HP tried to shut them out and silence them for pointing out her bullsh!t. Good for them to re-group and get the story out of what she's all about.
SouthernGirl2
· 1 month ago
Amen
laRapierWit
· 1 month ago
Jill told us and wrote threads about her being a SidleyAustin alum...she has to work at 'keepin it real' cause she is most comfortable with Beckies!! She had to assimilate and this post sounds ..just like what Beckie would say...geee, you guys all look so NEAT!!..in HS.. has now become the professional females sticking together...'fabulous Jane/Arianna'
Jill is use to being on the outs with our community. I get that. I got it from the very first time I read bourgeoise perspective under J&J banner...she is not coming from the hoood...which is good and fine.
We will watch her oscillate in the wind until she finds her own spot. She is now forced into the critiquing of the POTUS because that is what the 'clique' is doing that she earnestly endeavors to be part of.....so Jill hanging with her fellow Becky bloggers is going to consistently talk THEIR talk...so that she can walk THEIR walk.
Her soul no longer belongs to her...it is theirs for the asking....we they dog POTUS she will follow suit. Cause after all the only thing different about her is melanin...she believes...while her 'girls' pimp that melanin for their own capitalistic/entrepreneurial purposes. The funny thing is Cheryl is bought and don't even know it cause she too busy trying to FIT IN!
carolinagirl
· 1 month ago
This thread is gonna be epic, I just know it.
LOL.
Miranda
· 1 month ago
This thread is gonna go viral...just wait and see.
Shanti2
· 1 month ago
You know it is, Miranda. And there aint no amount of Tamiflu in the blogoshphere to stamp it out either.
Wow, Webb..just wow!! We KNEW...even if we could not put our fingers on why. We KNEW...thank goodness we had the foresight and skillz to create WEESEEYOU.
this here commonsensemedia...and earning 'chedda' is one thing...but the hate that was spewed...the diatribes and character assasination we all endured cause JJP was acting like sheeple...that is just completely unforgivable.
It was torture for me...cause I thought I was visiting a site with my interests and who could support POTUS only to find out now they are a trojan horse for a network of FDL/huffpo. . It reminds me of how folks were looking for minority contractors and recruiting 'blackfaces' for minority ownership, so they could get the contract.
hmmmmHUH...weeseethem. Isn't it interesting that DailyKos is not a part of commonsensemedia?
Great sleuthing Webb...well done ...shine the LIGHT!!
Just incredible to have our feelings so validated. We felt something was up. ThankGod, we were blessed with the intelligence to get the hell on up out of there and generate new LOVE and a site that could respect POTUS.
Webb broke it down! I'll just add that JJP seems to be posting a nasty anti-Obama piece from firedoglake every damned day. Oh, let's not forget Rikyrah's foolish post that Miss Jane featured on firedoglake. That, in particular, pissed me off because Miss Jane used it to say, "see, blacks folks agreed that he is a failure too."
JJP rarely presents anything on the front page that goes against Ms. Jane's narrative. In June, I commented that the stuff I was reading on JJP was no different from the stuff at Firedoglake, and I humbly asked for more balance.
Rikyrah's response was: "So.Be.It."
Why y'all getting me all fired up this early in the morning? My blood pressure is rising as I think about it.
laRapierWit
· 1 month ago
Alex, I remember you calling out that Rikyrah writeup where she was used as the voice of black folks over at FDL!! You were on point.
That really did speak to collusion, cause I was as pissed as you were..specially since that was not how I felt at all as a black person.
I am sipping on green tea this morning...as I seek enlightenment and a state of mind that says...thank you god for blessing all the folks at weeseeyou with the insight..to MOVE on...so we could HOLD up this Presidency in the blogosphere amongst faux progressives...who I still insist are nothing but PUMA's!
So, Alex, sip a little tea and let that pressure subside as you think about how wonderful WEESEEYOU is and how proactive we were in bringing about change..even when we were still in the dark...we found a way to illuminate and bring to the fore the truth...and now lookee lookee....the chickens done come home to roost for JJP....trojanhorsemofos!!
MsKitty
· 1 month ago
thank you god for blessing all the folks at weeseeyou with the insight..to MOVE on
How about that? I almost didn't find this place. After staying away from JJP for a month I decided to go back there for a minute to see if folks got back to their senses. It took me 5 seconds to figure out they hadn't but I saw Webb's link to WEE and decided to check it out. It felt like coming home. Sounds hokey but true. I really missed being with posters that even in the most heated of dicussions could air their differences with respect and sometimes humor. That's practically non-existent in most places on the blogosphere. JJP had something really special and unique and they blew it.
SouthernGirl2
· 1 month ago
MsKitty,
You speak the truth. The damage has been done. It's irreversible!
laRapierWit
· 1 month ago
So, glad you found us MsKitty!!
Webb was pretty smooth about posting links. : ) I didn't know if folks had actually clicked on it. But it is good to hear that folks who refused to be sheeple did, and found themselves right at home.
SouthernGirl2
· 1 month ago
That really did speak to collusion, cause I was as pissed as you were..specially since that was not how I felt at all as a black person.
Tell it.
No damn way that was the way I felt as a black person! After investing my time, my money, my energy, my support , my prayers to get this President elected and then expect me to be against him after only 8 months into his presidency! Jesus will return before that happens!GTFOOHWTFBS!
Shanti2
· 1 month ago
Hey, LaRapierWit, you deep telling it, baby! None of those blogs speak for ME, PERIOD. WEESee Them.
Shanti2
· 1 month ago
Keep telling the TRUTH, and your blood pressure will stabilize....
Miss Janey is making the rounds on the cable networks too. Jill was CNN Wednesday. I don't have anything against her getting airtime, it's what motivates these negros to try and sell us down the river to Miss Jane and Airyhead Puffington... Duck that shit!
SouthernGirl2
· 1 month ago
Word!
Alexander2
· 1 month ago
I'm here now. Fired up and ready to go!
WordSmith
· 1 month ago
Yes?
Shanti2
· 1 month ago
LMAO!!! Sup, Word?
WordSmith
· 1 month ago
Reading....reading what Webb wrote out here.
I can't stand Arianna. Jane Hamsher, I've never liked because people at her site were falling all over themselves because she was a producer of some movie I never saw and didn't want to. But there was this undercurrent with her that just didn't endear her to me AT ALL.
SouthernGirl2
· 1 month ago
LOL
Shanti2
· 1 month ago
Preach it, Webb. WEESeeYou All!
First off, when I read Jack's comment about Dave Zrinn last night over at JJP , I suspected it was staged. HuffPo writer/blogger vs JJP writer/blogger. I laughed and exited the page and the site.
NOW WHO IS THE PUNJK-ASS SELLOUT, WEAK BITHCES?!!!
I don't have anything else to add to this thread at the moment. The rest of this STINKFEST speaks for itself. That.is.all.
Webb
· 1 month ago
Thanks Shanti--W.E.E. don't have to be rocket scientists to SEE these things. They are clear and apparent. Some people choose to ignore THE TRUTH.
Shanti2
· 1 month ago
Webb, this post has been a long time coming, but I know a change had to come. Saw JJP start to bring things back to the middle after a mass exodus of some of its top posters/commentors; me being one of them.
I love competition, don't you? I'm thoroughly disappointed and pissed with these folks, especially JACK & JILL.
I want to hear or read about how y'all didn't TRY to sell us NEGROS down the river for a few dollars, how y'all didn't try to tarnish and trash the first BLACK POTUS.
I loathe Jane Hamsher and Arianna Huffington. And I am not suprised a spit minute that you two dog and trash the POTUS. You white bitches can kiss my royal black-blue ass, and I mean kiss hard!
SouthernGirl2
· 1 month ago
LMAO @ You white bitches can kiss my royal black-blue ass, and I mean kiss hard!
Go get'em Shanti!
Shanti2
· 1 month ago
I would like to hear what rikyrah, Baratunde, and Cheryl have to say about this thread. I challenge all of them to get their black asses over here and speak truth.
I'm not going to lay all the blame on those white bitches and other screaming banchees. JJP can come correct on their own.
SouthernGirl2
· 1 month ago
Talk about being floored when I found out that Jane Hamsher is in control of Common Sense Media Advertising Network!
Shanti2
· 1 month ago
I knew she was running some game, didn't know it was an ad network. TRUTH has a way of coming to light....
SouthernGirl2
· 1 month ago
Hell yeah!
Shanti2
· 1 month ago
Well, WEE are waiting..... WEE Know they are lurking and reading.
That's alright, take your time.
Y'all took your time driving folks away from your sites with all your drivel and stench bordering on wingnuttery.
SouthernGirl2
· 1 month ago
No kidding. There are a long list of JJP posters that simply disappeared from the site. I'm guessing many of the posters believed it had turned into an Anti-Obama site.
WordSmith
· 1 month ago
I'm still trying to stay impartial. Maybe someone could explain it to me in 25 words or less. This is WHAT it's all about - period?
I prefer hanging out with the rabble rousers; at the same time, i don't want to spend a lot of time bitchin' & hissin' on someone. I don't want to spend the time or energy.
Hey - wanted to let you know that Jack, rikyrah and I read this post and all the comments.
What I want to express is how grateful I am for your prior support since I can see some of you are JJP community members. Your participation in the fight to get Barack Obama elected and on other issues means more to me than I can say.
I hear your disappointment and anger. I respect your concerns and took time to think about how best to respond to them.
It's possible that we may choose to agree to disagree. My hope is that we can continue to respect each other as everyday warriors in the struggle and continue to work side-by-side when our interests align.
Jane and Arianna have supported Jack and Jill Politics since the site first launched in 2006. They were there for us probably even before some of you heard about JJP. In the case of Jane, she's become a friend over the years. I may not agree with all of her positions, but I respect her work and her commitment. When she and Pachacutec of FDL asked us to join Common Sense Media, it made sense to us. Why shouldn't African-American blogs benefit from advertisers too -- especially when most of CSM's major advertisers are nonprofit organizations whose aims we tend to support.
The money from CSM and BlogAds helps us to pay for the site's server operations and for travel expenses to conferences. It's been a lifeline since we all have full time jobs and JJP needs resources.
We are eager to work with a black-owned ad network too and have been in negotiations with 2 such networks recently. Once we know more, we'll share that with you.
As for Arianna, again, I don't always agree with her. But I admire what she's done with HuffPo as a female entrepreneur and activist. I think she's a visionary.
I think you know we love ourselves some Barack Obama. It still makes my heart skip a beat to hear his voice on TV sometimes.
That love includes accountability though. We know that the White House is a fishbowl. We aim to help the President stay focused and deliver on his promises of change - especially where black folks are concerned. We happen to know that external pressure sometimes gives the Administration the air cover to push issues forward since it's clearer that they have public support or helps them refine their positioning.
That's how we see our role. Love IMO doesn't mean loving everything a person does but being honest with each other. That's our goal.
I understand if you see things differently and would like to see that support for the Prez expressed differently.
My hope is that we can continue to talk about how best to support the President and his agenda and ensure on JJP that we're representing the diversity of opinion in the African-American community on JJP.
Again, I want to thank you from the bottom of my heart for your support in the past and know that we want to hear from you when you are disappointed in us and have questions. That's what this blog thang is all about.
Peace, Cheryl/Jill
Shanti2
· 1 month ago
WEESEEYOU!
SouthernGirl2
· 1 month ago
Ouch!
Preach Webb!
I'm gonna have to get my white handkerchief out!
Webb
· 1 month ago
Thanks SG2...had 2 call this one like WEESeeIT!
SouthernGirl2
· 1 month ago
Wee see what Airyhead Puffington has been driving at for a few weeks now by creating drama with those blaring headlines...."Biden should Resign"?
WTF kind of mess is that?
Shanti2
· 1 month ago
Why it was all to get those hits and guest appearances on the cable news shows. Afterall, the MSM want in on the Obama 'hatefest" too!
But WEESee Them; WEESeeYou ALL.
Webb
· 1 month ago
Umm, hmmm...Too Close for Comfort.
Shanti2
· 1 month ago
WEE don't want any of those white librul fauxgressives providing us with DEEP PENETRATION into the AA blogosphere.
Thanks, but No thanks, but only my husband is allowed to go that deep with me! LOL!
SouthernGirl2
· 1 month ago
ROTFLMBAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Webb
· 1 month ago
Was trying to reply to Shanti, but created a new comment--Thank You Disqus.
Shanti2
· 1 month ago
No, THANK YOU, Webb.
rikyrah
· 1 month ago
I was accused of something like this awhile ago, and my response NOW, is as it was then.
I DON'T get paid to blog. Everything that I do for blogging, I do so because I WANT to. The time that I spend on blogging is what I VOLUNTEER to do. I've never been to a blogging conference of any kind. I've never been on radio, tv, or in print. I do what I do at JJP and MOA, because it's a labor of love.
I'm not Coates, or Sullivan, or Kos, etc. I don't get a paycheck for this.
Healthcare is personal to me, and I make no bones about it, nor the stance that I've taken.
Shanti2
· 1 month ago
So what you are saying is that health care is personal to you? It is personal to me too. I came to JJP and dropped links, engaged in debate, laughed, cried, cheered with that community.
You think you're the only one who takes healthcare personally. We all have our stories to share.
You were the moderator of the threads you posted. I failed to see little, if any objectivity or neutrality in those post. There was one rant after the other about the "sell-out 'POTUS, backed up with other left wing liberal blogger jargon.
You say you don't get paid, that you do what you do as a labor of love. Well, I certainly didn't feel any LOVE coming from those health care post.
Frankly, I think you took it too personally and Jack & Jill weren't there to support you, to help bring some balance to the site. I don't begrudge you the right to speak up for your beliefs.
What I will not participate in is the bashing of this PRESIDENT.
laRapierWit
· 1 month ago
It was not your stance regarding policy. It was your personal attacks on POTUS that were simply outrageous!
If it had of been just policy...coool...everyone could discuss the pros and cons of the issue.
You took it to another whole level, with post after post, and thread after thread all with one overarching point, that POTUS was a failure, he was a wuss, he didn't know how to lead or do his job.
Naw, it wasn't just healthcare for you...you were all about telling folks they were drinking KoolAid and being Obamabots...just like they could not have a position that supported the POTUS unless they were 'obsessed' or crazied for POTUS.
It wasn't just healthcare, it was about tearing POTUS down.
rikyrah
· 1 month ago
it was about healthcare.
SouthernGirl2
· 1 month ago
Rikyrah,
But that's not how to get it done by tearing down the president. What happened to constructive criticism, letter writing, phone calls etc, with persistence? That's how you get it done. Temper tantrums & threats doesn't work.
laRapierWit
· 1 month ago
Then why were you calling him a punk and a sellout, huh? Why were you accusing folks of drinking KoolAid...if it was just about policy. More importantly, why were you accusing him of not doing his job, when his job is not to legislate to begin with. Why were the voices of reason about the legislative process so willfully disregarded and demeaned?
THAT was not just healthcare...rikyrah....you might have had an issue about healthcare but your approach and attacks went far beyond policy concerns.And it was relentless...repetitive and dispiriting.
Your threads were HATIN on POTUS not just challenging him on a policy issue. You attacked the man, the character, the mind and spirit.
Not just healthcare.
rikyrah
· 1 month ago
I've gone through the posts in July and August of this year, and YES, I was skeptical of the WH with regards to the Public Option. I still am. What I didn't see was ME accusing people of drinking ' KOOL-AID'.
Alexander2
· 1 month ago
You didn't have to. RobM would say it and you would give a major cosign. By your logic, that's the same as you directly saying it.
You have agreed with so many of RobM's negative and hateful comments. So please, don't come here hollering about its just healthcare.
SouthernGirl2
· 1 month ago
Say it!
RobM has called the President a coward on countless occasions. Imagine that? A coward? This President and his family risk their lives every damn day to lead this country and pull us out of the muck George Bush put us in.
RobM is the coward that hides behind a damn keyboard spewing venom and dividing the community!
Saaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa>>>lap
laRapierWit
· 1 month ago
I love my WEE family...alex, shanti, SG,Pbomb.Miranda, CG and Sepia..y'all just picked up and ran with this ball...while I was SIPhappy!! lol
sendin
((((((HUGS,bigHUGS))))
Shanti2
· 1 month ago
Hey, LaRapierWit. Damn, I love that name.
Hugs backatchoo, too!
Anywhooo.....
That's how WEE Rolls! LOL!
Miranda
· 1 month ago
Was RobM turned down for some administration post or what? I promise you his bitterness doesn't have a THING to do with policy...he's bitter for some other reason, you don't need to be Dr. Fraiser Crane to see it.
Sepia
· 1 month ago
He lost me when he called Eric Holder "a nigger", and when folks called him on it, it started calling them names. When I tried to have a civil discussion with him about it, he said that I didn't think. I remember him calling you names, too. That type of attention whoreness needs to be ignored.
SouthernGirl2
· 1 month ago
We went round and round with RobM disrespecting Miranda. A lot of JJP posters agreed that he needed to apologize. He was wrong and he refused to own it.........instead he wanted to be a smartass bully.
carolinagirl
· 1 month ago
Cosign.
PBomb
· 1 month ago
And not only that, but half of the time, I don't think he even knows what the hell he is talking about.
Miranda
· 1 month ago
ROFLMAO!!! (I didnt wanna say it....LMAO)
PBomb
· 1 month ago
That's what I am here for, I like to say shit that is on people's minds.
He sucks when it comes to economics, and I am not even all that interested in it. But based on my high school economics class, taught by Mr. High Water Butt, the shit that he spews over there doesn't make any sense.
Shanti2
· 1 month ago
LMAO! Vegas did you a world of good, PBomb! Keep on saying it.
RobM is the authority on finances, and why? because he drops those Bloomberg links and bashes Timmy Geithner...
Miranda
· 1 month ago
(snicker)
Miranda
· 1 month ago
LMAO!! But he wants us to believe he's an economic/financial analysis genius!....in his mind anyway. LOL
Shanti2
· 1 month ago
Co-sign! See, this is an example of me saying and agreeing with Alexander2, only he wrote it.
SouthernGirl2
· 1 month ago
Rikyrah,
I can understand if healthcare is personal but did it have to go to the point of blatant disrespect for our first black president? People had asked you to stop but you didn't. Your front page rants hurt people that had waited so long for this president. Some died without seeing it. Why Rikyrah?
rikyrah
· 1 month ago
I didn't see it as a blatant disrespect to ask questions as to where the WH was going on healthcare. I had been ' disappointed' in other decisions made by the WH, but let it go, because I was holding out for healthcare. I've seen what this WH can do - when they want to do something and how they go about it - I simply have not seen that in the healthcare debate.
Sepia
· 1 month ago
IMO, you weren't asking questions about the WH stance, you were throwing false accusations towards them, which, interestingly, came from Hamsher, Greenwald, Aravosis...etc., and then when they were proven to be false, there was no acknowledgement of it.
For example: When you posted that DNC commercial which showed a clip of Obama at a healthcare rally in Maryland. You complained that commercial didn't talk what Obama wanted in HCR, when the truth is that that wasn't supposed to be the intention of that particular commercial. That commercial was supposed to get folks fired up for the big fight that was ahead. But you ignored that. And guess who first complained about that commercial? JANE HAMSHER. What's very interesting is that she voiced the exact same complaints as you did.
The WH has been working on HCR. Back in July, he held a conference call with prgressive bloggers and laid out his strategy for HCR. I don't remember you or any of the other JJP moderators mention that. Why? Several posters presented you with info on the WH's stance on HCR. They practically begged you to post, and you didn't. You accused Obama of not meeting with the Progressive Caucus, but when Barbara Lee came on the Ed Schultz show and said that he did meet with them, you only posted it after I requested it. Now, we all know you watch Ed on the daily, and that you post his clips almost everyday, so IMO it was suspect that you didn't post this particular one. And when you did post it, you didn't admit that you were misinformed.
Examples such as these are the reason why I have become disappointed with JJP.
Shanti2
· 1 month ago
I'll give rikyrah credit for at least acknowledging your comments. She would not acknowledge my questions.....
Alexander2
· 1 month ago
She acknowledged mine but her response was: "So.be.it."
SouthernGirl2
· 1 month ago
Rikyrah,
Calling the president weak, a wuss, a sell-out punk is attacking his Manhood. Those are fighting words meant to destroy! There are certain things that crosses the line and you crossed it. It's no turning back after that. You hurt a lot of people by doing that because we looked to you. We had confidence in you. This is why I stated that you didn't need to wait for anyone else's opinion. You could have made your decision, put it on the front page and stood back with boldness!
You know without a doubt that Jane Hamsher is a disgruntled hater from the primaries. Please don't dance with the devil!
Shanti2
· 1 month ago
Tell it, SG2. I have a black husband. Do you think I want to read about the first black President being a wuss, sell-out punk. Fuck that! I don't want to read about attacks on any black man's manhood. Hasn't slavery done enough to try and destroy us all?
Alexander2
· 1 month ago
We got into several times about issues other than healthcare. The stimulus was a joke, according you, and the president was weak because he didn't shove a bigger stimulus down the republicans' throats.
On DADT - the president needed to man-up
On the banking situation - you posted that Geithner is a crook, the president hangs out with Geithner, so draw your own conclusions. That post went directly to the President's character. I was offended.
On the torture photos - the president punked out
On the "alleged" BigPharma deal - the president is a sell out
On almost every issue, you have taken the Firedoglake position. Booman, Nate Silver, Al Giordano are dead to you. During the past week, you posted eight articles from Firedoglake. Next in order were Huffpo and Americablog. Americablog, really?
Finally, I can't recall one instance in which you posted something positive about the President's policies. Lots of pretty pictures about the first family, though.
I used to go to JJP to get away from exactly what you are doing now. Maybe its not money, but with friends like you, who needs enemies?
rikyrah
· 1 month ago
I was clear on DADT; I believe that I posted my thoughts on that soon after the election.
Banking - I make no bones about it; I believe Geithner is a crook that oversaw the disaster that caused our financial collapse. he's a tax-evading crook, and no, I don't believe he was a good choice for Treasury, and wish he had been taken out because of the tax issues. You can't surround yourself with the folks that were knee deep in what happened to CAUSE the financial crisis, and have only 2 conclusions to take - either you're a dupe, or you're in collusion with them...which one do you choose?
torture - I want Cheney, Yoo, and the entire cabal in orange jumpsuits. NO, I don't believe in ' let's move past', but I swallowed it and went on.
Big Pharma - if there was no ' deal' between the WH and Big Pharma, then why are there folks in Congress attacking such a ' deal' now?
Alexander2
· 1 month ago
I believe Geithner often pursues the wrong policy but there is no evidence that he is a crook, and by extension, the President. My biggest issue with your type of blogging is that name calling substitutes for serious analysis.
laRapierWit
· 1 month ago
"your type of blogging is that name calling substitutes for serious analysis."
All Comments
My breaking point came in late August. The atmopshere there had become really toxic...I don't have to get into details, y'all were there. Alexander2 called out the mods for letting the place become a free for all a la Daily Kos, and there were a few of us who posted our concerns as well. So what happens next? Rikyrah lets loose on a front-page diatribe saying in so many words that if JJP has to be compared to Daily Kos then so be it, that Obama supporters need to stop drinking the kool aid and wake up. I haven't posted there since.
Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying that I want any blog to be pro-Obama, all the time...if he does wrong we gots to speak up. But the constant bashing at JJP that was based on nothing more than innuendo and spin got to be more than I was willing to put up with. I harbor no ill will toward the crew over there, I wish them the best; but it's disappointing that they let the blog sink into the muck of shouting and petulance. They could have been so much better than that. Hope the 30 pieces of silver was worth it.
If you're going to throw up a thread for discussion and debate, and not answer the bloggers questions or acknowledge their comments, what's the purpose? Let's just say the moderator was VERY selective in choosing the recipients of her responses.
I'm not opposed to acknowledging PBO's shortcomings when warranted, but a 24/7 hatefest is outrageous!
It's not serving the the blogging community.
That's a bad sign, MsKitty!
This turn of events is disappointing, but not unexpected. Like Rev. Al always says "just cuz you my skinfolk, don't make you my kinfiolk."
I'm in it for the long haul. I'm stuck like velcro! I canNOT and willNOT EVER leave him!
I read the website Planet POV about a week ago and I noticed that all of the commenters were people who were former and current HuffPo commenters. They are tired of all of the Drudge like headlines over there. I read several other blogs where commenters have said the same thing about FDL and HuffPo. We are definitely not the only disapointed by the publications. There are plenty more, but they don't have an outlet to speak about it.
It's like Arianna is running neck and neck with Drudge! Is she trying to outdo Drudge with her headlines?
http://planetpov.com/2009/10/17/huffing_and_pos...
Last time I checked, the gubernatorial position has nothing to do with passing laws in Congress. Bob "I am old as dirt" Sheiffer even said that the two republicans who won for governor have nothing to do with Obama. There were even exit polls, that had showed voters stating that their voting choices for governor had nothing to do with Obama, in fact they gave Obama high marks. Even David Letterman made fun of the "Republicans winning in the governor's races are an affront to Obama" meme on Tuesday night. Because it's so damn nonsensical.
But you have people like David "I am a loser and I am going write a bunch of shit that defies logic" Zirin talking out of both sides of their mouth. He will be eating crow like the rest. I can wait.
As far as Deeds loosing, well, he's just a looser. He did nothing to reach out to his constituency and thought PBO would fly in and save the day for his white pasty ass.
Corzine tried to buy his way back into governorship, but folks weren't having it! They said fuck you Corzine, wallstreet, Goldman Sacs, etc. fuck all of y'all.
Corzine thought his white ass was going to ride the cape tail of Superman Obama, but nope folks had their reasons for not voting for these lazy ass muthafuckas!
Fuck Dave Z!
MSM runtellatt!
Amen! Corzine and Deeds did it to themselves! They took the voters for granted and got a big f-ing wake-up call. Not today mofos!
I believe Republicans held that seat in NY-23 for over a 100 years. That was the story but the MSM was determined to make it about PBO.
I wondered why some of my comments at HP were pending for approval and there wasn't anything offensive in the post.
It wasn't about being offensive....it was certain words! It happened so many times, it is impossible to count them.
You on point with Jack's qualifying his comments. I don't know why folks feel they have to do that. Yeah, I've had my issue with the President, especially when he kept insisting the Grassley and Enzi were operating in good faith with HRC when clearly they were not.
When I invested as much as I did to get the President elected, I'll be doggoned if I'm gon' call his administration a failure after less than a year. Some folks need to go down and sit somewhere.
Right there with you! AIN'T no way I'm gonna turn my back on our President!
Not No...... but Hell No!
http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/joe_l...
So, I gotta give the SEOD (hat tip: cg) to folks when they start hanging out with the likes of Jane Hamsher. As they old saying goes - you lie down with dogs, you get up with fleas.
LRW! You got any green tea left? Imma need about 3 cups!
and just, just inhaling the fragrance of orange spice begins the path from derangement to the contentment zone of TEAMIND
As you sip...you slowly transistion to TEAMIND....where tea awakens us to the truth of our own existence. Through tasting the joys of existence in a new way - Sip by sip rather than gulp by gulp, one will discover calm and contentment, appreciate the perfection, the harmony, the natural serenity and the true aesthetic that exists in every moment and in every natural thing.
Putting up no resistance, one would experience boundless imagination and aspire toward a peaceful and fulfilling lifestyle. Through a simple cup of tea one can realize the supreme true reality of TeaMind.
TeaMind is the mastery of mysteries; no hand can paint it, no voice can describe it. Yet it is easy to grasp; few people know this. Many travel the wrong path, pursuing the false and turning their backs on the true.
Yet attaining TeaMind is easy to accomplish. And now that this has been said, you should not cling to the words but just savor the meaning.
For it is written:
"The whole problem with Civilization is that we've been trying to squeeze the mind into the brain and it won't fit. The great gift of the leaf is that it relaxes the brain, freeing it to float to its true home in the boundless and the inexhaustible-the sublime state we call TeaMind."
Sip on Sepia...sip on...I am sippin rightwitcha!!
I am in the contentment zone...thinking about Hamsher..requires serious and deep TeaMind...to move on!!
woooSAaaaah!!!
The orange spice is infused with mandarin orange, cinnamon & cloves, you inhale a very exotic fruity citrus....and that's the daytime green tea... now
.at night you gotta try
JasmineJazz
one of the world's finest most fragrant blossoms and the tea is so fragrant cause it is immersed with the jasmine blossom 7x at night when it opens ...thus it is recommended as your nighttime green tea.
Sepia..you will have TeaMind...like you ain't never had...you will just be
SipHappy!!!
Anyone see a pattern here, about how her 'support' is more negative than positive when she claims to be for the candidate.
Hamsher..warrants....a MASS in UNISON SEOD...from the WEE family!!
The Daily Kos has more balance than JJP. Last week, there was a big fight at Kos about the influence of Miss Jane on their site. That conversation is not allowed at JJP. Miss Jane reigns supreme over there.
On difference occasions, Webb and I have asked why she posts pictures of the first family while, at the same time, she calls the president "weak, a punk, a sell-out?" Her response was that she knows what her audience wants (also, she enjoys Obama porn).
Does she really know what her audience wants, or does she know what Jane Hamsher wants? Her audience, for the most part, seems to reject Miss Jane's narrative. So, why is Miss Jane being pushed so hard?
cause we's some stubborn darkies....we won't give in.
Examples:
http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/2009/11/what-hap...
And here's an excerpt from one of his latest posts about those election outcomes:
Too often in "mainstream" political analysis, once it is pointed out that independents have swung in one or another direction, the analysis stops. The pundit inserts his own opinion about what caused the independent vote to shift ("Obama's far-reaching proposals and mounting spending", says the Washington Post), without citing any evidence. It's a neat trick, and someone who isn't paying attention is liable to conclude that the pundit has actually said something interesting.
But in New Jersey, there's literally almost no evidence that the Democrats' agenda had anything to do with Jon Corzine's defeat. Voters who cited a national issue were more likely to vote for Corzine, and voters who cited a local one, the Republican Chris Christie.
In Virginia, the evidence is certainly a little stronger, insofar as the national agenda may have affected the lopsided turnout (the electorate which turned out Tuesday had voted for John McCain by 8 points, a near-reversal of the actual results). Even there, however, the quarter of the electorate that cited health care as their main issue went for the Democrat Deeds 51-49. And in NY-23, which was supposed to have been the ultimate smackdown of the Democrats' agenda, the Republican Conservative candidate unexpectedly lost.
But why must we keep with the bull about how this is ultimately an affront towards Obama?
It's bordering on biased, disgusting, and lazy-ass journalism.
Yep, same thing with the health care debate. Alot of information was, IMO, purposely not posted on JJP so as to frame/create the storyline that Obama is throwing progressives under the bus. For example, on July 20th PBO held a conference call with progressive bloggers where he laid out his strategy for healthcare reform. Why wasn't that talked about on JJP? But yet, they were so quick post anything from FDL, John Aravosis...etc., not matter how wrong they were/are. It was disappointing.
If one is blogging to inform, it would seem that one would do the research,
keep abreast of new information and update the thread as it becomes
available.... That's blogging 101.
I'm learning though. If I'm gonna post something as important as health care, I'd better bring some thoughtful analysis....
You NAILED, it PBomb. some of these blogs rely on Lackadaisical practices by asking posters to drop links for discussion and gossip, and that's fine. It becomes a smokescreen for bringing the truth out in the actual threads.
So I guess if folks don't want the truth....
Hello Jill,
Just thinking about your words...."Love IMO doesn't mean loving everything a person does but being honest with each other".
Jill, love means respecting a person even if one has disagreements with them. In that JJP committed Epic Fail. Where is calling or allowing someone from your blog to call our first black President a "wuss", "weak", a "sell-out punk" an expression of love? Jill, that is destructive, it's fighting words meant to destroy. It's not an attack on policy, it's a personal attack on his manhood. As a woman, I am sure you know there are some things one just doesn't do---you doNOT attack a man's manhood. Those attacks can never be taken back and the damage is done. You nor anyone else at JJP came out and denounced it. We took it as JJP being in agreement with it.
You've not addressed the issues at all that we've brought up in this thread. Is your allegiance more with Arianna & Jane Hamsher than the black community? Please tell us. Your blog is directed at a black bourgeoisie perspective on U.S. politics! I don't see it that way any more. Arianna & Jane may have helped JJP to get started but it is bloggers that kept it moving and made it what it is today. IMO, JJP haven't lived up to it promise with the black community. It seems you've lost sight of your original goal and that is serving the black community. Is not JJP to be held accountable for their actions?
Lastly, I would think JJP would be so proud of one of their own top commenters being able to get a seat sitting so close behind the President that one could reach out and touch him. JJP had to be called upon by other commenters to acknowledge it's own top commenter "Spirit". That is major Epic Fail! A seat sitting behind the President is not given to anyone, that would have to be earned. Spirit earned that seat by her loyal enduring hard work, just as she was loyal on JJP. She came to JJP daily fighting for the cause and having nearly 12,000 posts prooves it. It takes commenters to push a blog. JJP owes Spirit an apology.
SouthernGirl2
I want us all to be able to work through these bruised and hurt feelings. They're very real and bottled up resentment is not good for anyone. A lot of people were hurt from actions at JJP. Talking about it helps us all to clear the air so we can heal & move forward.
IIRC, after Baratunde made his appearance on MSNBC after the Ape cartoon explosion, we congratulated him, gave him huge props of a job well done, we were proud of him. We didn't wait 3 days to acknowledge him. After 3 days, the excitement is gone. No one should wait to thank or congratulate someone. You do it at that moment!
When Spirit posted her expereince at the PBO's rally, you posted a pic of your niece Peanut, thus diverting attention away from the news of the rally. Damn, how stupid do you think we are, rikyrah?!
You could have congratulated Spirit, acknowledged her attendance at the rally and noted you'd post the details on Monday... Once again, you made it all about you!!
Jack & Jill Politics: A black bourgeoisie perspective on U.S. politics
Tubman/Cheryl Contee on BBC Election Night Nov 4, 2008
Author: Jill Tubman
Hey folks, I’ve been invited to speak to the BBC on election night. They’ve also got the fabulous Jane Hamsher of FireDogLake, Melissa Clouthier and other bloggers planned. It’s an honor, really. . . .
The "fabulous" Jane Hamsher who hated on Candidate Obama during the primary and general elections! Rikyah, I don't know about. Jack, I don't know about. But I do know that Jill is a first-class coon. The fabulous Jane Hamsher, and the fabulous Arianna Huffington.
There is also something about Jill that bothers me. I hate the cozy and too familar street talk in all her posts. It rubs me the same way that Michael Steele does. Stop trying to be so black, Jill. Your ass is a sell-out for the whole world to see.
I was just telling my sistas that Jill and Jack haven't responded, and she said she doubted they would. Jill is too good to drop in on WSY. I beg to differ on the too good part. I challenged both of them last night to come correct with our people... crickets.........
I am WAITING!
I remember when I was in law school. There was a black, upper class woman that talked the same way Jill writes. All the slang and faux black attitude. There was a brother from Xavier in Louisana along with me who knew she wasn't about anything.
I can't believe Jill used the words...The "fabulous" Jane Hamsher? How can someone be considered "fabulous" who posted a picture of Joe Lieberman in blackface? WTF? Does Jill not know this? If Jill feels Jane Hamsher is "fabulous", I don't wanna see anything negative about Hillary/ Bill Clinton and their dog whistle!
Answer: If we vote for Barack Obama, we will support his efforts to serve America. We will give him the respect, space, and opportunity to do is fucking job.
We'll SUPPORT his efforts in as much as we have the capacity to do so!
When Rikyah took JJP into a direction of hate, nothing from Jill. Nothing from Jack. I have to rinse this bile out of my mouth before I go to bed. Good night, Wee See You family.
Arianna is a snake in the grass! It all about the hits, traffic and making money. Those ugly blaring headlines about the President create traffic for her blog.
She's no liberal...she's a republican!
PlanetPOV are smart peeps! They're on to her ass.
HP tried to shut them out and silence them for pointing out her bullsh!t. Good for them to re-group and get the story out of what she's all about.
Jill is use to being on the outs with our community. I get that. I got it from the very first time I read bourgeoise perspective under J&J banner...she is not coming from the hoood...which is good and fine.
We will watch her oscillate in the wind until she finds her own spot. She is now forced into the critiquing of the POTUS because that is what the 'clique' is doing that she earnestly endeavors to be part of.....so Jill hanging with her fellow Becky bloggers is going to consistently talk THEIR talk...so that she can walk THEIR walk.
Her soul no longer belongs to her...it is theirs for the asking....we they dog POTUS she will follow suit. Cause after all the only thing different about her is melanin...she believes...while her 'girls' pimp that melanin for their own capitalistic/entrepreneurial purposes. The funny thing is Cheryl is bought and don't even know it cause she too busy trying to FIT IN!
LOL.
Folks should know you don't fuck with this:
http://www.visualparadox.com/images/photos/b/sc...
this here commonsensemedia...and earning 'chedda' is one thing...but the hate that was spewed...the diatribes and character assasination we all endured cause JJP was acting like sheeple...that is just completely unforgivable.
It was torture for me...cause I thought I was visiting a site with my interests and who could support POTUS only to find out now they are a trojan horse for a network of FDL/huffpo. . It reminds me of how folks were looking for minority contractors and recruiting 'blackfaces' for minority ownership, so they could get the contract.
hmmmmHUH...weeseethem. Isn't it interesting that DailyKos is not a part of commonsensemedia?
Great sleuthing Webb...well done ...shine the LIGHT!!
Just....wow....
I'm going to bed. Mmm, mmm, mmm....
SMH
Sweet dreams.
Here's my response for now... More to come!
Won't Back Down!
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xu50x_tom-pett...
Is Donna Summers singing...Donna is that you I hear in the bkgrd...singing
I'm working hard for the money...
WOW.
*mouth agape*
Just incredible to have our feelings so validated. We felt something was up. ThankGod, we were blessed with the intelligence to get the hell on up out of there and generate new LOVE and a site that could respect POTUS.
This is just sooooo upsetting!
Webb broke it down! I'll just add that JJP seems to be posting a nasty anti-Obama piece from firedoglake every damned day. Oh, let's not forget Rikyrah's foolish post that Miss Jane featured on firedoglake. That, in particular, pissed me off because Miss Jane used it to say, "see, blacks folks agreed that he is a failure too."
JJP rarely presents anything on the front page that goes against Ms. Jane's narrative. In June, I commented that the stuff I was reading on JJP was no different from the stuff at Firedoglake, and I humbly asked for more balance.
Rikyrah's response was: "So.Be.It."
Why y'all getting me all fired up this early in the morning? My blood pressure is rising as I think about it.
That really did speak to collusion, cause I was as pissed as you were..specially since that was not how I felt at all as a black person.
I am sipping on green tea this morning...as I seek enlightenment and a state of mind that says...thank you god for blessing all the folks at weeseeyou with the insight..to MOVE on...so we could HOLD up this Presidency in the blogosphere amongst faux progressives...who I still insist are nothing but PUMA's!
So, Alex, sip a little tea and let that pressure subside as you think about how wonderful WEESEEYOU is and how proactive we were in bringing about change..even when we were still in the dark...we found a way to illuminate and bring to the fore the truth...and now lookee lookee....the chickens done come home to roost for JJP....trojanhorsemofos!!
How about that? I almost didn't find this place. After staying away from JJP for a month I decided to go back there for a minute to see if folks got back to their senses. It took me 5 seconds to figure out they hadn't but I saw Webb's link to WEE and decided to check it out. It felt like coming home. Sounds hokey but true. I really missed being with posters that even in the most heated of dicussions could air their differences with respect and sometimes humor. That's practically non-existent in most places on the blogosphere. JJP had something really special and unique and they blew it.
You speak the truth. The damage has been done. It's irreversible!
Webb was pretty smooth about posting links. : ) I didn't know if folks had actually clicked on it. But it is good to hear that folks who refused to be sheeple did, and found themselves right at home.
Tell it.
No damn way that was the way I felt as a black person! After investing my time, my money, my energy, my support , my prayers to get this President elected and then expect me to be against him after only 8 months into his presidency! Jesus will return before that happens!GTFOOHWTFBS!
Miss Janey is making the rounds on the cable networks too. Jill was CNN Wednesday. I don't have anything against her getting airtime, it's what motivates these negros to try and sell us down the river to Miss Jane and Airyhead Puffington... Duck that shit!
I can't stand Arianna. Jane Hamsher, I've never liked because people at her site were falling all over themselves because she was a producer of some movie I never saw and didn't want to. But there was this undercurrent with her that just didn't endear her to me AT ALL.
First off, when I read Jack's comment about Dave Zrinn last night over at JJP , I suspected it was staged. HuffPo writer/blogger vs JJP writer/blogger. I laughed and exited the page and the site.
NOW WHO IS THE PUNJK-ASS SELLOUT, WEAK BITHCES?!!!
I don't have anything else to add to this thread at the moment. The rest of this STINKFEST speaks for itself. That.is.all.
I love competition, don't you? I'm thoroughly disappointed and pissed with these folks, especially JACK & JILL.
I want to hear or read about how y'all didn't TRY to sell us NEGROS down the river for a few dollars, how y'all didn't try to tarnish and trash the first BLACK POTUS.
I loathe Jane Hamsher and Arianna Huffington. And I am not suprised a spit minute that you two dog and trash the POTUS. You white bitches can kiss my royal black-blue ass, and I mean kiss hard!
Go get'em Shanti!
I'm not going to lay all the blame on those white bitches and other screaming banchees. JJP can come correct on their own.
has a way of coming to light....
That's alright, take your time.
Y'all took your time driving folks away from your sites with all your drivel and stench bordering on wingnuttery.
I prefer hanging out with the rabble rousers; at the same time, i don't want to spend a lot of time bitchin' & hissin' on someone. I don't want to spend the time or energy.
What I want to express is how grateful I am for your prior support since I can see some of you are JJP community members. Your participation in the fight to get Barack Obama elected and on other issues means more to me than I can say.
I hear your disappointment and anger. I respect your concerns and took time to think about how best to respond to them.
It's possible that we may choose to agree to disagree. My hope is that we can continue to respect each other as everyday warriors in the struggle and continue to work side-by-side when our interests align.
Jane and Arianna have supported Jack and Jill Politics since the site first launched in 2006. They were there for us probably even before some of you heard about JJP. In the case of Jane, she's become a friend over the years. I may not agree with all of her positions, but I respect her work and her commitment. When she and Pachacutec of FDL asked us to join Common Sense Media, it made sense to us. Why shouldn't African-American blogs benefit from advertisers too -- especially when most of CSM's major advertisers are nonprofit organizations whose aims we tend to support.
The money from CSM and BlogAds helps us to pay for the site's server operations and for travel expenses to conferences. It's been a lifeline since we all have full time jobs and JJP needs resources.
We are eager to work with a black-owned ad network too and have been in negotiations with 2 such networks recently. Once we know more, we'll share that with you.
As for Arianna, again, I don't always agree with her. But I admire what she's done with HuffPo as a female entrepreneur and activist. I think she's a visionary.
I think you know we love ourselves some Barack Obama. It still makes my heart skip a beat to hear his voice on TV sometimes.
That love includes accountability though. We know that the White House is a fishbowl. We aim to help the President stay focused and deliver on his promises of change - especially where black folks are concerned. We happen to know that external pressure sometimes gives the Administration the air cover to push issues forward since it's clearer that they have public support or helps them refine their positioning.
That's how we see our role. Love IMO doesn't mean loving everything a person does but being honest with each other. That's our goal.
I understand if you see things differently and would like to see that support for the Prez expressed differently.
My hope is that we can continue to talk about how best to support the President and his agenda and ensure on JJP that we're representing the diversity of opinion in the African-American community on JJP.
Again, I want to thank you from the bottom of my heart for your support in the past and know that we want to hear from you when you are disappointed in us and have questions. That's what this blog thang is all about.
Peace, Cheryl/Jill
Preach Webb!
I'm gonna have to get my white handkerchief out!
WTF kind of mess is that?
But WEESee Them; WEESeeYou ALL.
Thanks, but No thanks, but only my husband is allowed to go that deep with me! LOL!
I DON'T get paid to blog. Everything that I do for blogging, I do so because I WANT to. The time that I spend on blogging is what I VOLUNTEER to do. I've never been to a blogging conference of any kind. I've never been on radio, tv, or in print. I do what I do at JJP and MOA, because it's a labor of love.
I'm not Coates, or Sullivan, or Kos, etc. I don't get a paycheck for this.
Healthcare is personal to me, and I make no bones about it, nor the stance that I've taken.
You think you're the only one who takes healthcare personally. We all have our stories to share.
You were the moderator of the threads you posted. I failed to see little, if any objectivity or neutrality in those post. There was one rant after the other about the "sell-out 'POTUS, backed up with other left wing liberal blogger jargon.
You say you don't get paid, that you do what you do as a labor of love. Well, I certainly didn't feel any LOVE coming from those health care post.
Frankly, I think you took it too personally and Jack & Jill weren't there to support you, to help bring some balance to the site. I don't begrudge you the right to speak up for your beliefs.
What I will not participate in is the bashing of this PRESIDENT.
If it had of been just policy...coool...everyone could discuss the pros and cons of the issue.
You took it to another whole level, with post after post, and thread after thread all with one overarching point, that POTUS was a failure, he was a wuss, he didn't know how to lead or do his job.
Naw, it wasn't just healthcare for you...you were all about telling folks they were drinking KoolAid and being Obamabots...just like they could not have a position that supported the POTUS unless they were 'obsessed' or crazied for POTUS.
It wasn't just healthcare, it was about tearing POTUS down.
But that's not how to get it done by tearing down the president. What happened to constructive criticism, letter writing, phone calls etc, with persistence? That's how you get it done. Temper tantrums & threats doesn't work.
THAT was not just healthcare...rikyrah....you might have had an issue about healthcare but your approach and attacks went far beyond policy concerns.And it was relentless...repetitive and dispiriting.
Your threads were HATIN on POTUS not just challenging him on a policy issue. You attacked the man, the character, the mind and spirit.
Not just healthcare.
You have agreed with so many of RobM's negative and hateful comments. So please, don't come here hollering about its just healthcare.
RobM has called the President a coward on countless occasions. Imagine that? A coward? This President and his family risk their lives every damn day to lead this country and pull us out of the muck George Bush put us in.
RobM is the coward that hides behind a damn keyboard spewing venom and dividing the community!
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Hugs backatchoo, too!
Anywhooo.....
That's how WEE Rolls! LOL!
He sucks when it comes to economics, and I am not even all that interested in it. But based on my high school economics class, taught by Mr. High Water Butt, the shit that he spews over there doesn't make any sense.
RobM is the authority on finances, and why? because he drops those Bloomberg links and bashes Timmy Geithner...
I can understand if healthcare is personal but did it have to go to the point of blatant disrespect for our first black president? People had asked you to stop but you didn't. Your front page rants hurt people that had waited so long for this president. Some died without seeing it. Why Rikyrah?
For example: When you posted that DNC commercial which showed a clip of Obama at a healthcare rally in Maryland. You complained that commercial didn't talk what Obama wanted in HCR, when the truth is that that wasn't supposed to be the intention of that particular commercial. That commercial was supposed to get folks fired up for the big fight that was ahead. But you ignored that. And guess who first complained about that commercial? JANE HAMSHER. What's very interesting is that she voiced the exact same complaints as you did.
The WH has been working on HCR. Back in July, he held a conference call with prgressive bloggers and laid out his strategy for HCR. I don't remember you or any of the other JJP moderators mention that. Why? Several posters presented you with info on the WH's stance on HCR. They practically begged you to post, and you didn't. You accused Obama of not meeting with the Progressive Caucus, but when Barbara Lee came on the Ed Schultz show and said that he did meet with them, you only posted it after I requested it. Now, we all know you watch Ed on the daily, and that you post his clips almost everyday, so IMO it was suspect that you didn't post this particular one. And when you did post it, you didn't admit that you were misinformed.
Examples such as these are the reason why I have become disappointed with JJP.
Calling the president weak, a wuss, a sell-out punk is attacking his Manhood. Those are fighting words meant to destroy! There are certain things that crosses the line and you crossed it. It's no turning back after that. You hurt a lot of people by doing that because we looked to you. We had confidence in you. This is why I stated that you didn't need to wait for anyone else's opinion. You could have made your decision, put it on the front page and stood back with boldness!
You know without a doubt that Jane Hamsher is a disgruntled hater from the primaries. Please don't dance with the devil!
On DADT - the president needed to man-up
On the banking situation - you posted that Geithner is a crook, the president hangs out with Geithner, so draw your own conclusions. That post went directly to the President's character. I was offended.
On the torture photos - the president punked out
On the "alleged" BigPharma deal - the president is a sell out
On almost every issue, you have taken the Firedoglake position. Booman, Nate Silver, Al Giordano are dead to you. During the past week, you posted eight articles from Firedoglake. Next in order were Huffpo and Americablog. Americablog, really?
Finally, I can't recall one instance in which you posted something positive about the President's policies. Lots of pretty pictures about the first family, though.
I used to go to JJP to get away from exactly what you are doing now. Maybe its not money, but with friends like you, who needs enemies?
Banking - I make no bones about it; I believe Geithner is a crook that oversaw the disaster that caused our financial collapse. he's a tax-evading crook, and no, I don't believe he was a good choice for Treasury, and wish he had been taken out because of the tax issues. You can't surround yourself with the folks that were knee deep in what happened to CAUSE the financial crisis, and have only 2 conclusions to take - either you're a dupe, or you're in collusion with them...which one do you choose?
torture - I want Cheney, Yoo, and the entire cabal in orange jumpsuits. NO, I don't believe in ' let's move past', but I swallowed it and went on.
Big Pharma - if there was no ' deal' between the WH and Big Pharma, then why are there folks in Congress attacking such a ' deal' now?
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