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Re: *Cheryl (aka Jill From JJP) Responds. Note To JJP: WSY “Won’t Back Down!”

Ametia — Tue, 10 Nov 2009 23:31:38 -0000

No, and I am neither uncomfortable offering thanks or congratulations when they are warranted.

Re: *Cheryl (aka Jill From JJP) Responds. Note To JJP: WSY “Won’t Back Down!”

WordSmith — Tue, 10 Nov 2009 23:20:39 -0000

This is just a question... do you ever think you're being overly sensitive? Sometimes I forget shit in the midst of writing, and sometimes I'm just uncomfortable offering thanks or congratulations.

Re: *Cheryl (aka Jill From JJP) Responds. Note To JJP: WSY “Won’t Back Down!”

Ametia — Tue, 10 Nov 2009 16:16:35 -0000

BTW Jack, I will not be monitoring your site; it is what you and Jill and the rest of your team need to accept responsibility in maintaining a balance. WEESeeYou's post to JJP is a call to ACTION!

Re: *Cheryl (aka Jill From JJP) Responds. Note To JJP: WSY “Won’t Back Down!”

PBomb — Tue, 10 Nov 2009 15:24:20 -0000

Thank you for your honesty.

If we were harsh about what we said, it's because we are passionate and pissed about how the President and this administration is getting an unfair shake at things. I am pretty young, but I remember the treatment that previous administrations have gotten and it doesn't compare.

We know that there are other external forces and the media will hold Obama to an impossibly higher standard just to see him fail. JJP was suppose to be an escape from that.

Thanks again for acknowledging our opinions.

Re: *Cheryl (aka Jill From JJP) Responds. Note To JJP: WSY “Won’t Back Down!”

Ametia — Tue, 10 Nov 2009 15:14:12 -0000

Baratunde, I appreciate your willingness to accept responsibility for your role.

Re: *Cheryl (aka Jill From JJP) Responds. Note To JJP: WSY “Won’t Back Down!”

baratunde — Tue, 10 Nov 2009 14:54:50 -0000

There is a lot of truth to your analysis and of course it hurts my ego to read the things said here, but that goes with the territory, and it's good to hear it. We do take the criticism seriously. Community trust is difficult to earn, easy to lose and harder to regain. I take responsibility for much of what you've called out. My own participation at JJP dropped off significantly beginning in the summer due to some extreme personal circumstances from which I haven't fully recovered. I know that has had an effect on the site, so I can see a lot of what you're talking about.

Of course, I don't agree with everything said here or how it's been said, but my purpose here isn't to get defensive. It's really to acknowledge the situation, and let you know that "we see you" as well. I'm not sure how much more back and forth we'll have via these comments, or if we'll just ask you to monitor the site over the coming months. Either way, thanks for holding US accountable.

BTW, nice blog design :)

Sincerely & peace,
- Scattered Jack

Re: *Cheryl (aka Jill From JJP) Responds. Note To JJP: WSY “Won’t Back Down!”

PBomb — Tue, 10 Nov 2009 11:55:27 -0000

I have read that post before. Since, you were involved in the phone call, then why were there posts about where the White House stood on the Public Option?

Why wasn't the phone call utilized as a constantly reference of where the President stands on the Public option? As I have stated before, I have read other bloggers who were on that phone call and gave accounts of what was said. All of them stated that the President wanted a Public Option. He understood that the House and the Senate are two completely different entities who are going push out different bills. He didn't expect them to have the same ideas in the bills. He has stated that the final bill he wants signed should involve a public option, keeping costs down, stopping recission, etc.

Why did JJP decide to push the meme that the President was wavering on the Public Option?

Thanks for updating one blog entry, but there are several in the past that should have been updated as well.

Re: *Cheryl (aka Jill From JJP) Responds. Note To JJP: WSY “Won’t Back Down!”

cheryl aka jill tubman — Tue, 10 Nov 2009 11:33:46 -0000

Thanks Alexander2 -- I've shared your comments with Baratunde and rikyrah. I
appreciate your input. We've updated rikyrah's post re: troop levels, btw,
with the new info. Also, I did holler back post-Obama call. However, it did
take a few days since I wanted to do some analysis. Here's the post in case
you missed it:

http://www.jackandjillpolit...

Bloggers do suffer from fatigue at times -- I appreciate your reminder that
we need to stay sharp in order to stay relevant. Thanks again and take care.

Re: *Cheryl (aka Jill From JJP) Responds. Note To JJP: WSY “Won’t Back Down!”

Ametia — Tue, 10 Nov 2009 00:38:50 -0000

"Rikyrah is the drama queen freaking out about any rumor."

(And she's used to plant the FEAR!)

Jill is the fabulous jetsetter, who gives nothing; when was the last time you posted something that was not about you?

(NEVER! It's ALL about fabulous Jill!)

" Jack is scattered, spacey and uncentered; he can't have an in-depth debate about the policies of this administration because he ill informed.'

(And he fits right in with the MSNBC, CNN crowd)

"But JJP is not qualified to hold him accountable because the three of you are lazy and have your own agendas. It's wrong and you have to know its wrong."

BRILLIANT, Alex! when does the play go to Broadway?!

Re: *Cheryl (aka Jill From JJP) Responds. Note To JJP: WSY “Won’t Back Down!”

Alexander2 — Mon, 09 Nov 2009 22:26:08 -0000

Jill, please take a look at the front page of JJP tonight. Rikyrah is freaking out because CBS news is reporting that President Obama has decided to send 40,000 additional troops to Afghanistan.

But, within the thread, numerous commentators are linking to articles stating that the administration strongly denies the CBS report. In one article linked to, General Jones makes a rare public statement to say the CBS report is false.

We know that news agencies will print almost anything to out-scoop the competitors. All of these reports on important issues of the day have to be treated with some degree of skepticism, especially in the face of vehement denials from the administration. I'm not a journalist either, but maybe you could ask Rikyrah to update her initial post with updates as other contradictory information comes in. The "update" standard is uniformly used across the blogosphere. Why is JJP an exception?

Tonight is no exception. For the last four or five months, any rumor or speculation about the administration is printed on the front page of JJP as if it is the literal truth, more so if it is negative and damning.

Concerning your role at JJP, I have to concur with what so may commentors here have said. Nearly every one of your posts is self-serving. They are all about the fabulous life of Cheryl aka jill tubman --- Hey beotches, I'm in the South of France for a wedding (look at me); now I'm about to participate in a conference call with the President on health care so submit your questions. You didn't get back to us about what the president said in any detail. I learned what the President said during that conference call by reading Booman Tribute. How fucked up is that?

JJP is this: Rikyrah is the drama queen freaking out about any rumor. Jill is the fabulous jetsetter, who gives nothing; when was the last time you posted something that was not about you? Jack is scattered, spacey and uncentered; he can't have an in-depth debate about the policies of this administration because he ill informed.

I'm disappointed with you guys. You all might love the president and still get that tingle when he come on television. But JJP is not qualified to hold him accountable because the three of you are lazy and have your own agendas. It's wrong and you have to know its wrong.

Good night, fabulous Jill.

Re: *Cheryl (aka Jill From JJP) Responds. Note To JJP: WSY “Won’t Back Down!”

Ametia — Mon, 09 Nov 2009 20:36:37 -0000

"Since you're not a trained journalist does that give you the excuse to write misleading headlines & false information about the President?"

No it gives them the excuse to trash the POTUS for the all mighty dollar and some airtime. Obama bashing is a hot commodity doncha know!

Re: *Cheryl (aka Jill From JJP) Responds. Note To JJP: WSY “Won’t Back Down!”

SouthernGirl2 — Mon, 09 Nov 2009 20:01:59 -0000

"You guys have some good points that I want to consider with the seriousness they deserve and also discuss with our team".

When is that going to happen, Jill? Because it's NOT in the responses you've given. Your responses are crock! Are you kidding?

Is selling out the black community for money worth it? You have become no better than Congressman William Jefferson & James Harris!
OMFG! How could you sell out your own people?!?!

Since you're not a trained journalist does that give you the excuse to write misleading headlines & false information about the President?

JJP had become a place that I loved because it was about our people! But not anymore! Y'all kept up the lies & half-truths until you destroyed it.

Good bye, Jill

Re: *Cheryl (aka Jill From JJP) Responds. Note To JJP: WSY “Won’t Back Down!”

Ametia — Mon, 09 Nov 2009 19:24:05 -0000

Hi Jill-wanted to let you know I read your comments. You made the same points that you made on the previous thread, and personally, I did not take any of it seriously.

Please, you don't know or care about Spirit any more than rikyrah did. And frankly, for me I believe your key goal is to showcase how amazingly intelligent you are. (Cue Sidwell tapes)

Thank God we don't all think alike, because the post on JJP crossed the line in playing to the STUPID. I think I've made myself clear in providing feedback on the services y'all provided for the black community.

Your acknowledging WEESEEYOU is a day late and a dollar short. The damage has been done. Our trust has been violated, and your psycho babble of reflecting what you think you hear is utterly useless to me.

You and Baratunde continue the lovefest that you have with HuffPo's Arianna, and FDL's Jane Hamsher. I have no interest in either or your meeting and befriending them. END OF STORY!

As far as your not being trained journalist, well neither am I, which would make me want to be cognizant of what I write and post in the name of SERVING THE BLACK COMMUNITY. I work full time too, and still find time to put some time and thought into what I comment and post. It isn't always great, but I don't post disrespectful shit about the president, and rants, and post threads without some balanced analysis. Y'all have taught me well in this regard.

As you can see, I'm not buying that excuse.

As with rikyrah's comment about doing it as a LABOR of LOVE, I'll repeat, I wasn't feeling the LOVE!

Initially, I think your (JJP') intentions were honorable, now, NOPE!

You and Jack did JJP a diservice when you left Rikyrah to her own devices and I think you both could have provided her with more support.
We can agree to disagree, and if you want respect, you have to give it.

So if part of the collusion with FDL and HuffPo was to post anti-Obama shit for hits, it worked to get the reactions and the traffic. So how does it feel now that JJP's getting half the traffic that it used to get? HOW'S THAT WORKING FOR YA?

In any case, I have no desire to visit JJP.

In the words of GreenLadyHere, I'M TH-AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAROUGH!

Re: *Cheryl (aka Jill From JJP) Responds. Note To JJP: WSY “Won’t Back Down!”

cheryl aka jill tubman — Mon, 09 Nov 2009 12:39:27 -0000

Hi -- wanted to let you know I read all the comments. You guys have some good points that I want to consider with the seriousness they deserve and also discuss with our team. We are proud of Spirit (of course!) -- one of our key goals has always been to showcase how amazing and intelligent our commenters are in order to put the lie to media fallacies that we all think alike, that we are all stupid, etc. We'd like to find better ways to show that pride in the black community.

We are also proud of you -- WeeSeeYou is a great blog and an incredible community in its own right. I hear you saying that I did not respond to your concerns about collusion: I should clarify that the extent of our legal relationship with CommonSense Media is that they have a couple of ad tiles on our site and we share the revenue wit them. We do not nor never have discussed editorial decisions with them as part of that deal.

Re: Arianna -- Baratunde occasionally blogs over there and we've received links from HuffPo to a few of our posts. We don't discuss editorial with HuffPo either. End of story. I thought it was cool to meet her in person -- I can see how you might view that differently & respect your opinion.

We're not trained journalists -- I have a full time job, rikyrah has a full time job and Baratunde has like 5 jobs. JJP is a labor of love for all involved. We're just regular folk with big mouths. We're still learning as we go along. I want you to know how much we appreciate your insights. As I said, let's continue to talk about it - how we can improve and how we can all better work together toward common goals. If you feel we're slippin' -- well, that's important for us to know so we can do better.

It's possible that we may not always agree with each other. Not all black bloggers nor black people agree on everything, especially when it comes to politics! Still, my hope remains that we can respect each other enough to be frank and to listen to each other with respect even if we don't always agree.

Thanks y'all for continuing the conversation.

Re: *Cheryl (aka Jill From JJP) Responds. Note To JJP: WSY “Won’t Back Down!”

Ametia — Sun, 08 Nov 2009 21:53:35 -0000

Oh, Oh! Miss Jane gets to paint YT in blackface and issue a non apology.

Now that is evidence of some commited work right there.

I clearly understand how much Jill respect Jane's work....

Re: *Cheryl (aka Jill From JJP) Responds. Note To JJP: WSY “Won’t Back Down!”

SouthernGirl2 — Sun, 08 Nov 2009 21:44:33 -0000

http://www.outsidethebeltwa...

Jill: In the case of Jane, she’s become a friend over the years. I may not agree with all of her positions, but I respect her work and her commitment.

Jane Hamsher: Joe Lieberman Blackfaced, Jane Hamsher Redfaced

Jane Hamsher's non apology apology: “I sincerely apologize to anyone who was genuinely offended by the choice of images accompanying my blog post today on the Huffington Post.

Re: *Cheryl (aka Jill From JJP) Responds. Note To JJP: WSY “Won’t Back Down!”

SouthernGirl2 — Sun, 08 Nov 2009 21:31:13 -0000

*dead too*

Re: *Cheryl (aka Jill From JJP) Responds. Note To JJP: WSY “Won’t Back Down!”

Ametia — Sun, 08 Nov 2009 21:18:01 -0000

**DEAD**

Re: *Cheryl (aka Jill From JJP) Responds. Note To JJP: WSY “Won’t Back Down!”

Ametia — Sun, 08 Nov 2009 20:54:19 -0000

HE-LL No! JJP can do JJP, and WEE can do WEESeeYou, but if you bring shit
that paints distortions, mistruths, and falsehoods about PBO, WEE will CALL
IT!

Re: *Cheryl (aka Jill From JJP) Responds. Note To JJP: WSY “Won’t Back Down!”

carolinagirl — Sun, 08 Nov 2009 20:44:35 -0000

Here you go Sepia.

I don't want your hand to get chafed from that virtual smackdown. LMAO.

Re: *Cheryl (aka Jill From JJP) Responds. Note To JJP: WSY “Won’t Back Down!”

Ametia — Sun, 08 Nov 2009 20:44:03 -0000

BWA HA HAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!

Re: *Cheryl (aka Jill From JJP) Responds. Note To JJP: WSY “Won’t Back Down!”

Ametia — Sun, 08 Nov 2009 20:44:03 -0000

deleted-dup

Re: *Cheryl (aka Jill From JJP) Responds. Note To JJP: WSY “Won’t Back Down!”

Ametia — Sun, 08 Nov 2009 20:42:57 -0000

"Warriors in the struggle"? Let's be 110% real, Cheryl. Since the election, the majority of your and Baratunde/Jack blog posts have been to promote your appearances at conferences and on TV, or to complain because the NAACP didn't give your computer company a contract. The activism and analysis that was present during the campaign has fallen off tremendously.

IMO, your response just confirms my suspicions that it's all about the C.R.E.A.M. and getting put on for you.

You got it, Sepia!

This line would do well in a comedy club:

"My hope is that we can continue to talk about how best to support the President and his agenda and ensure on JJP that we’re representing the diversity of opinion in the African-American community on JJP." You mean representing FDL & HuffPo's
nonsense.

Honestly, I think it is you, Jill who has been in the fish bowl and is not tuned in to the diversity of opinion in the "African American" BLACK community at large. If you were, you'd know that no matter how much education you or any us have, BLACK folks do not take kindly to condescending, bullshit, responses like the one you posted this morning.

My dad's got an 8th grade education and could smell this shit a mile away!

Re: *Cheryl (aka Jill From JJP) Responds. Note To JJP: WSY “Won’t Back Down!”

Miranda — Sun, 08 Nov 2009 20:35:47 -0000

http://www.youtube.com/watc...
ROFLMAO!!

Re: *Cheryl (aka Jill From JJP) Responds. Note To JJP: WSY “Won’t Back Down!”

SouthernGirl2 — Sun, 08 Nov 2009 20:17:31 -0000

Wee AIN'T gonna play!